Saying that while lysias is present, he would never allow himself to be used as a training partner for phaedrus to practice his own speech making on, he asks phaedrus to expose what he is holding under his cloak. The phaedrus, to pilfer a phrase socrates himself uses in the same dialogue, is a beast more complex than typhon 230a. The two dialogues together contain the whole philosophy of plato on the nature of love, which in the republic and in the later writings of plato is only introduced playfully or. Symposium by plato introductory dialogue and the speech of. And phaedrus, he has a different definition about love. Socrates declares that hes said all he needs to say and intends to leave, but then says he has received a supernatural sign.
Asserting that what is shameful is not speechwriting itself. Supersummary, a modern alternative to sparknotes and cliffsnotes, offers highquality study guides for challenging works of literature. They analyze the content of the speech and the manner in which it is written. He persuades phaedrus, whos carrying a copy of lysiass speech, to read it aloud. Guidance is given through shame when acting shamefully and pride when acting well. Featured content includes commentary on major characters, 25 important quotes, essay. But our fascination does not extend equally to each of the many topics brought up in this dialogue. Socrates claims that he can deliver a better speech based on the ideas of other writers. The work is centered on three speeches and a final discussion of truth. Phaedrus begins his speech reiterating that love is a god, and is. Recitation of the speech of lysias on love by phaedrus.
Continuity among all the kinds of dialectic in plato comes from the fact that the genusspecies divisions of the late works are a way of providing the accounts. They walk along the ilissos and sit down under a plane tree. In phaedrus, plato discusses different aspects and degrees of love and rhetoric. The speech of lysias which has thrown phaedrus into an ecstacy is adduced as an example of the false rhetoric. Phaedrus makes several excuses, but socrates suspects strongly that phaedrus has a copy of the speech with him. Phaedrus thinks that love is the most ancient because of some reasons. Phaedrus summary from litcharts the creators of sparknotes. The creators of sparknotes phaedrus study guide from litcharts. I come from lysias the son of cephalus, and i am going to. This study guide and infographic for platos symposium offer summary and analysis on themes, symbols, and other literary devices found in the text. Perfect for acing essays, tests, and quizzes, as well as for writing lesson plans. Its easy to link to paragraphs in the full text archive if this page contains some material that you want to link to but you dont want your visitors to have to scroll down the whole page just hover your mouse over the relevent paragraph and click the bookmark icon that appears to the left of it.
That being the case, both lysias s speech and his own slandered love by attributing bad things to him. There are three main points in phaedruss speech auws. Phaedrus thinks that the speech is excellent and it offers a good argument for the topic. The speech of eryximachus 186a189b the speech of aristophanes 189c193d a. Arnold schwarzenegger this speech broke the internet and most inspiring speech it changed my life. In phaedrus argument, he has a logic organization and gives a lot of strong evidences to support his three main points about love. Phaedrus has just left lysias, son of cephalus, a well known rhetorician and his lover, who gave a speech on love. The forsaken beloved should have known that his lover was most harmful to the education of his soul ph. We also spent some time on a subsection of this speech stephanus 246e247e, the 4th kind of love, divine madness, as a meditation, in our parmenides morning study group on sept 26, 2018, since it appeared that book 1, chapter 21 of proclus theology of plato among other places in that work referred to this section of the phaedrus.
Scholars employing the work of plato in business literature have generally focused upon three socratic dia logues, the republic, the laws and the statesman. Phaedrus interludesocratess second speech 242245 summary. Socrates disarms him by telling phaedrus that he is not interested in. Phaedrus challenges socrates to compose a better speech and promises to erect golden statues at delphi if the challenge can be met 235d.
Furthermore, both speeches were guilty of a refined sort of foolishnessparading themselves as if. An analysis of rhetoric in phaedrus by plato kibin. For i spent a long time there with lysias, sitting since early morning. A mash up of a few different audio lectures about platos dialogue, phaedrus.
Eros in platos phaedrus and the shape of greek rhetoric harvey yunis f or plato, rhetoric was not a morally neutral set of skills in language and speaking, but part and parcel of the entire set of conventional ethical and political values that needed to be uprooted and replaced with better ones. The two dialogues together contain the whole philosophy of plato on the nature of love, which in the republic and in the later writings of plato is only introduced playfully or as a figure of speech. Lovers repent of and cease their ministrations to the beloved, wheras nonlovers dont. Phaedrus summary and study guide supersummary, a modern alternative to sparknotes and cliffsnotes, offers highquality study guides for challenging works of literature. This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the title phaedrus. The princess alcestis, he says, willingly took the place of her husband.
Interludesocratess second speech phaedrus asks why socrates has stopped at this point and not gone on to describe the benefits of the nonlover rather than just the defects of the lover. The speech of lysias 231234 interludesocratess first speech 234241 interludesocratess second speech 242245 the myth. The pbaedrus lies at the heart of platos work, and the topics it discusses are central to his thought. The phaedrus calls the dialectician the person who can specify these relationsand thereby carve reality at the joints. My dear phaedrus, whence come you, and whither are you going. The phaedrus is closely connected with the symposium, and may be regarded either as introducing or following it. Well before the critique of writing begins, at 275, socrates is coaxing phaedrus to share with him the latest speech of lysias. Socrates coyly declines but, phaedrus playfully threatens him first with force and then with something more persuasive viz. Phaedrus character timeline in zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance the timeline below shows where the character phaedrus appears in zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance. They both engage in the analysis of his writing, along with merits and faults. Phaedrus explains this further by describing that when in. Phaedrus has a copy of lysiass speech at hand and will read it to socrates.
Phaedrus here stops his game, and confesses to hiding the speech, as the pair seeks a suitable spot to stop and read the speech. It suggests that a person should not fall in love, or give favors to thos. Although ostensibly about the topic of love, the discussion in the dialogue revolves. According to hesiod, he was born to chaos and earth. Love lysiass speech deals with a particular kind of love relationship. In reading this excerpt from the phaedrus, which reports a dialogue between socrates and phaedrus, crucial to your. The phaedrus was presumably composed around 370 bce, about the same time as platos republic and symposium. Speech three socrates recantation illustrates socratic or philosophical rhetoric at its fullest. When he learns that phaedrus has just come from hearing lysias, a famous orator, socrates is interested in hearing lysiass speech for himself. Learn exactly what happened in this chapter, scene, or section of the symposium and what it means. Both phaedrus speech, and the others that follow, suggest that malemale. Analysis in describing love as a primordial deity, phaedrus draws on the works of hesiod, a greek poet who lived in boeotia at the beginning of the 7th century bce. The colored dots and icons indicate which themes are associated with that appearance. Indepth summary and analysis of every lines of phaedrus.
In its treatment of the topics of the soul, the ideas and love, it is closely tied to the other dialogues of platos middle period, the pbaedo, the symposium, and the republic. Plato, from the phaedrus a dialogue between socrates and phaedrus written down by plato, the pupil of socrates, in approximately 370 bc. But in the phaedrus and symposium love and philosophy join hands, and one is an aspect of the other. The text phaedrus has in mind is an epic, now known as the theogony, which sets forth the foundations of greek mythology and tells the origin stories of many of the gods. Phaedrus speech in platos symposium suffers from a very bad press. The text is extremely subjective, open to interpretation and individual creativity as to what or whom the narrative is about. After all, dialogues like phaedrus are stories about platos revered teacher. Their discussion is triggered by the speech written earlier concerning love. Lysias read aloud by phaedrus at socrates bidding, a speech by socrates. Socrates disagrees with phaedrus and believes that lysias is more interested in the style rather than the topic itself. Eros in platos phaedrus and the shape of greek rhetoric. Phaedrus curve carleton university research virtual. Socrates convinces phaedrus to share its details in a discourse. Ad 50, a roman fabulist phaedrus the epicurean 8 bc c.
Feb 03, 20 and phaedrus, he has a different definition about love. Phaedrus asserts that both gods and humans regard love as great and. Phaedrus reads the first speech, written by lysias, to socrates. Phaedrus from lysias, socrates, the son of cephalus. Plato, from the phaedrus a dialogue between socrates and. Phaedrus has a speech of lysias in his head, which he has been practicing. I come from lysias the son of cephalus, and i am going to take a walk outside the wall, for i have been sitting with him the whole morning. However, griswold limits his analysis to the importance of one. Phaedrus, a character in zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance.
The major themes of the phaedrus are introduced in these opening scenes of the dialogue. Yet, in phaedrus speech, he uses alcestis like an evidence to support his argument. Phaedrus asks in surprise what offense socrates could have committed, and socrates reminds him that love is a god, the son of aphrodite. When phaedrus attempts to simply give a summary of the parts he remembered. Furthermore, both speeches were guilty of a refined sort of foolishnessparading themselves as if they were worth something while actually saying.
One of the areas of interest for many readers happens to be speech as such, discussed near the end of the dialogue. Lysiass speech argues that in a pederastic relationship, a boy should give his favors to an old man who is not in love rather than one who is in love. That same passion will lead him astray when he has found another love, b. According to him, all of gods, love is the most ancient, the most honored, and the most powerful symposium, 465. A comment from phaedrus on the supposed shamefulness of speechwritingthe art of the logographerspurs socratess transition to a discussion of rhetoric and writing. Phaedrus play, a 3rdcentury bc comedic play by alexis poet. When phaedrus sees that socrates isnt impressed with lysiass speech, he prevails upon his friend to deliver his own. Phaedrus begins his speech reiterating that love is a god, and is actually one of the most ancient gods. Phaedrus has spent the morning listening to lysias deliver a speech on love, and now he desires to take a walk outside the city. Phaidros, written by plato, is a dialogue between platos protagonist, socrates, and phaedrus, an interlocutor in several dialogues. Lysias where lysias presents phaedrus with the speech on love is taken for granted as. In reading this excerpt from the phaedrus, which reports a dialogue between socrates and phaedrus, crucial to your understanding of what bothers socrates about writing is. Socrates, eager to follow any discourse, is determined to hear everything that lysias and phaedrus discussed. The allegory of the charioteer and his horseslove is the regrowth of the wings of the soulthe charioteer allegory resumed 246257 introduction to the discussion of rhetoricthe myth of the cicadas.
Agathons speech, and especially that of pausanias, seem to me to cause the appearance in the symposium of something like a critique launched by socrates against the association of paiderastia with philosophia in the framework of an athenian convention associating the provisional acceptance of sexual relations between a boy or a young man and. The philosopher socrates encounters phaedrus, a young student of rhetoric, outside the athens city walls. And even if they did, a lot of platos work is pretty conventionally literary anyway, if we do say so ourselves. Phaedrus continues his speech with examples of famous greeks who nobly died for love. Besides, in the interlude between the two speeches, plato twice carefully avoids the word psuche and replaces it by stethos 235c5 and 238c8, a quite unusual word in the dialogues, that means in the first place the chest, and only by analogy whats inside, that is, the.
Since socrates expresses a keen interest in hearing lysiass speech, phaedrus manages to lure him out to the countryside. These are the processes of division and generalization which are. Symposium by plato summary and analysis of introductory dialogue and. Okay, so platos phaedrus isnt exactly a literary text, but you know by now that deconstructionists and poststructuralists dont give a dang about the differences between literature and philosophy. An analysis of his doctrine on love in the symposium and phaedrus introduction love is a human fact, something that happens to humans. In his speech, he has three main ideas to define love. I believe all three of these are needed to be taken in together, because it expands the text in a very unique way. This 37page guide for phaedrus by plato includes detailed chapter summaries and analysis, as well as several more indepth sections of expertwritten literary analysis. Implications of the speeches of lysias and socrates in the phaedrus david cruise malloy david cruise malloy is at the university of regina, saskatchewan, canada.
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